Hasn't the Caliphate already risen up and is now ISiS? Or isis is trying to restore the caliphate and therefore they almost immediately claimed responsibility for the attack in Manchester? Not trying to argue here, just wondering as I am not an expert on any of this Islamic terror stuff.
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cofty
Hasn't the Caliphate already risen up and is now ISiS? Or isis is trying to restore the caliphate
ISIS have established the Caliphate in Iraq and Syria and are committed to expanding its borders.
A caliphate is an area containing an Islamic steward known as a caliph - Abū Bakr al-Baghdadi - a person considered a religious successor to the Islamic prophet, Muhammad, and a leader of the entire Muslim community.
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_Morpheus
@slimboy- im only framiler with one of the examples you gave regarding domestic acts of terror: timothy mcveigh.
racism had absolutely nothing to do with the Oklahoma city bombing at all, in any way. Where in the world did you get that? McVeigh was an anti government nut who was triggered by an incident know as "waco" and the branch davidians. It was huge news here in the states for months and months and janet reno/ the clinton administration were castigated for their handling of the situation in waco.
Mcveigh took that and ultimately began viewing himself as an anti goverment patriot, citing the declaration of independence and revolutionary war figures.
racism??? Religion??? What the hell are you talking about?
Further more, aside from Mcveigh and the 2 other convicted of helping him, no others were 'radicalized' by his world views. The same cannot be said of islam.
And the USA did the right thing with Mcveigh. The same thing it should do with all islamic terrorists: McVeigh was excecuted.
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TD
To be fair most people of McVeigh's ilk are closet racists at the very least, but you're right Morpheus. The Waco and Ruby Ridge incidents were at the heart of a very strong anti-government sentiment at the time and that more than anything else was the burr under his saddle.
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Simon
Typical though that people trot out names like Mcveigh.
Sure, it was a major attack, but it was what, 20+ years ago? Anomalous and nothing to do with any religious cause.
Very, very different to the constant and ongoing attacks and attempted (thwarted) attacks from Muslims because of their religious beliefs.
It's the same as when people think "crusades" is an answer to whether Islam is culpable for the evil is causes. Completely irrelevant, centuries ago and they were actually a response to decades / centuries of Muslim invasions.
Why do some people feel compelled to desparately try and paint cultures as "the same" when they are clearly not.
NEWSFLASH: Our culture is better than theirs, we are better than them. Deal with it.
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Thisismein1972
Simon. That is an extremely bad way at looking at things. Why do we need to be better than another culture? This sounds like a white supremacist remark in my opinion. Do you really want to be associated with people like this?
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LoveUniHateExams
Typical though that people trot out names like Mcveigh.
Sure, it was a major attack, but it was what, 20+ years ago? - indeed. Terrorist attacks by the white far-Right are very thin on the ground (which is actually a good thing!). You've got McVeigh (1995), Breivik (2014) and the British far-Right loser who killed the Labour MP Jo Cox (2016). Slim pickings. I don't want to go off-topic but it's almost as if SJWs want more far-Right wickedness, so that they can demonstrate, protest, and scream 'racism!'
Why do some people feel compelled to desparately try and paint cultures as "the same" when they are clearly not - perhaps because this idea that all cultures are equal is what underpins multiculturalism? Dunno - just throwing it out there.
NEWSFLASH: Our culture is better than theirs, we are better than them. Deal with it - abso-frickin-lutely. This point should be rammed home as often as possible.
Our superior culture is definitely worth defending ...
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Thisismein1972
So loveUniHateExams. If you are so clued up on what is so great about our culture, perhaps you can enlighten us more? Yes we have had some amazing innovations in the past 100 years ago, however, we have also committed mass genocide too.
Our culture has been responsible for creating the atomic bomb. Creating it wasn't good enough though, we also had to use it to on innocent people. We have also been responsible for creating deadly Cults, I'm sure we are all familiar with what a cult is like here. Our culture had pillaged resources from those cultures that some here would believe are inferior to ours.
This is our culture, we want to dominate those who are regarded as inferior to us. And it is this attitude that is the cause of some of the problems that now befall our culture.
Something to think about, If our culture was so great, why are leaders in the world now shunning us? Why is there a shift to such countries as China and Russia now, the Philippines being the latest. Why If our Culture is so good is President Duterte wanting american soldiers out of the Philippines?
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/369490-philippine-president-duterte-fighting-for-country-life/
Here is a great example of how our culture has influenced a once great country.
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Simon
Why do we need to be better than another culture?
Based on what people say and do.
This sounds like a white supremacist remark in my opinion.
Ah, classic, "you must be racist if you think you're better than people who blow up children"
White supremacism is a bogeyman argument, it might work on the feeble minded but it's not a real threat to the world right now.
But it's funny ... I don't recall blaming anything on color, but you try to twist it into that.
we have also committed mass genocide too.
"we"? I think "we" fought to stop it and have intervened several times since. Some cultures commit the genocide - you think they are equal?
Our culture has been responsible for creating the atomic bomb. Creating it wasn't good enough though, we also had to use it to on innocent people.
In case you didn't notice and know nothing of history, it was important to develop in case a different, more barbaric ideology developed it first. Deploying nuclear weapons was a tragedy - that it was necessary, but I believe it was and the net result was more lives saved than it killed. Of course it means different lives saved vs killed - unlucky if you were in a country that launched an attack that eventually resulted in your defeat. Chose who you follow carefully.
We have also been responsible for creating deadly Cults, I'm sure we are all familiar with what a cult is like here.
Yeah, the very worst cults of the west (actually often leaning heavily on mysticism from the east) directly killed hundreds (e,.g. Jonestown). How many have ISIS killed? Are you clutching at straws?
Our culture had pillaged resources from those cultures that some here would believe are inferior to ours.
We did some bad, we also did some good - many times the indigenous cultures weren't the peaceful enlightened paradise portrayed in "lets hate white people" movies from liberal hollywood. Often they enslaved and massacred others. The western imperialists sometimes did a lot of bad, but often did less worse and also delivered education, medicine and other advancements.
This is our culture, we want to dominate those who are regarded as inferior to us. And it is this attitude that is the cause of some of the problems that now befall our culture.
Who said anything about "dominate"? They are the ones insisting that we give up our culture and adapt theirs. We are not the ones saying that other should die simply for existing and not holding the same beliefs. Islam is the culture of domination, not ours.
Something to think about, If our culture was so great, why are leaders in the world now shunning us?
I think you're confusing culture and politics / leadership and also don't understand the word "shun".
Why is there a shift to such countries as China and Russia now, the Philippines being the latest. Why If our Culture is so good is President Duterte wanting american soldiers out of the Philippines?
Again, politics, you should learn about it. If you thing Duterte is a great leader and example to follow then you are a fool.
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freddo
Our culture is better than theirs?
Anders Breivik, Utoya, Norway
Thomas Hamilton, Dunblane, Scotland
Harris and Klebold, Columbine, USA
Robert Ryan, Hungerford UK
Different certainly, but better?