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3Jw's Rat on themselves.
by ko38 ini just recieved an old 1920 copy of millions now living will never die.this book is chuck full of beliefs that have not only no scriptural foundation,but teachings that the witnesses as a whole have never heard of.it talks of the jews still recieving favor in those times(1914 on)it speaks of talking with the dead and refers to another book talking with the dead to understand how it is done.old judge rutherford is in rare form in this book.i bought it for my mother to read and i hope she will see the falicy.i bet it will take more than this though.my heart is troubled with many wrongdoings both done to me and my family.
(some here may recall the things done to me and my daughter by my father).i have since 10-04 renounced my faith in jws and now feel that i must at least show all those that are willing or who will listen to me long enough, how much of a bull$h!
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Are we to be Angels or merely mankind?What did Jesus mean?
by ko38 inthat is a question i would have never asked even a month ago.being raised a jw how could you not know the answer?they told me time after time after time that we have an earthly hope.we can live forever in a paradise without sickness or death.
(that sounded great to me).as i'm sure all of you are aware the wtbts has some rather selective interpretations of scripture.these are easily proved to their captive audience, i mean their followers by using their own translation of the bible.. what i'm having a problem with is understanding who goes where?.
the jws believe that the annointed go to heaven and the great crowd benifit by being associated with these annointed by gaining eternal life on earth.thus they are saying that the entire greek scriptures apply only to the annointed.
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Why does the wtbts say you have to bring a sack lunch to the assemblies?
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i dont fully understand what the big deal is as to why you cant leave the conventions to go eat.i use to have fun working in the food department when i was younger.you could miss most of the days talks if you stuck around for cleanup.. i helped build the assembly hall here in st>louis.i was thrilled when they installed an ice cream area.that was the best job to have and we used to request that duty months in advance.
(all the ice cream you could eat)then when they went to the free food oh boy did i pig out.dad always put a hundred or so in the kitty and i guess that more than covered the soy bean burgers,burritos and fruit bags that we ate.. but now there is strong admonition to not leave the building for food as well as to stay away from vendors around district assemblies.the only reason for this that i can think of is that they dont want anyone leaving the assembly and not returning for the afternoon session after a tasty lunch and good conversation with your friends.. of course if a lot of people didnt return from lunch they wouldnt be there to give contributions.thats the only reason i can come up with.what do you guys and gals think?
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How do you place an avitar on your profile.
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you guys all have really cool ones.i want one too.i want to play with the big kids mommy.lol.
please make your instructions simple.i flunked computers for dummies.. thank you guys, i love you all..
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Is it right for Man to rule Man?
by ko38 inhello once again to those that were helpful to me in my time of leaving the wbts.i said i wouldnt post for a while,but it turns out ive learned a lot in the past 2 weeks.so here goes with my shot of seeing if im adjusting according to schedule.. in my search of my own christian freedom i have found myself led down a path that is a simple one.that being the path of acceptance.the acceptance of my own sinful nature and that of others.im not saying that it is coming easy,i am only saying that i see the need.. imho when looking for salvation i myself feel that it is not to us to judge.several of us agree on that.but that is not easy for us to do as humans,i was looking for someone or something to replace the wbts but after some personal study of the scriptures and some help from all the links and archives here i have come to a point of humility.. in all things in this world the one thing we want most is love.what does that mean?
some may say it means the love of a spouse or the love recieved from your children etc...i know being both a married man with a wife that loves me and i her that those bonds are strong and bring comfort.my children for both myself and my wife bring a sense of joy to our hearts and we love them.. i think i might be at least on the right track when i feel love for those other than my family.the story about the good sammaritan is a very good example.to be loving to those who otherwise do not have your best interest at heart is the challenge that jesus christ has set before us.. this is more directed towards new ones out of the grip of the watchtower bible and tract societys dogmatic and unsupported claims to be the only channel to salvation.which upon minimal searching of the truth is proved both false and misleading.. jehovahs witnesses find it difficult to realise that their salvation is in jesus.most often only mentioning him as we pray through or in his name.
i wonder at least for myself, if god isnt trying his hardest to wait until we see how simple salvation really is.he has given us a way to be forgiven and so many choose not to make full use of it.when all it may have very well taken was a belief in jesus and a turning around of our sins.. wow,that sure beats the things we all for the most part have gone through with the jws.to be bitter is not a loving course,because most are bitter with god after coming out of an oppresive cult as the jws.god nor jesus told us to do this it was our fault and satans.why not have the love for god once again and believe in the ransom that jesus paid.. mans religion will always lead to sorrow lets please all have the hope and love of the savior our lord jesus christ..........ken
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NO ONE WILL SAVE YOU EXCEPT YOURSELF,BE IN FEAR OF YOURSELF
by ko38 ini think that pretty much says it all.we can all whine and groan about how the society has wronged us and how they are so self preserving and wrong , evil, false, controling decieving, self righteous,and whatever.those who speak of giving up or god is dead or now i smoke pot and god loves me or now i commit fornication and its okay or those that get drunk and say thats okay.man some of you sound like the apostate definition according to the society.the evil slave.in order not to allign yourself with satan your job i think is simple.stop doing wrong.
quit trying to have sex outside of marriage,smoking pot,lieing cheating and stealing.i dont care who you are you dont want to die.
ive tried it twice and am glad im still here.im no wuss either former power lifter very veril and have 4 children.some of you kill me with your live for today mentality.i have a hard time believing that you chose to leave rather than being disfellowshipped and just feel bitter.
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If pastor Russel had zeal at all it was at least in the beginning based on
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honesty.from what i have read he did shed a light for a brief time.what we need is a true prophet to teach us.until that time comes i can only hope in those things not beheld.anyone reading ray franz will agree with me.if we give up as individuals what is that saying to satan.. i say we dont give up.jesus says to be always striving for truth and righteousness.hey people we are better than that.you all know who you are,lets not foresake our hope in the lord.no matter what even if we know that he is not coming in our lifetime should we not be as a fine servant rather than a ridicueling one?it is your call,but for some of us we are starting to feel our own mortality,ie.. getting older.at the very least why dont we trust in something.. iwe all know the gb is wrong or we wouldnt be here.sorry for preaching its just something i believe.opinions welcome
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How many of you still hope to live forever?and where,? based on what?
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call me crazy but from reading the bible ,assuming one believs it its pretty plain at least the earth will stand to times indefinate.please if you have an opinion please give the support to it.. thanks in advance.. i dont know nuttin.
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thank you all for the welcome.some asked me to tell my story. heres the 411
by ko38 inmy parents became jws in 1973. i was 6.my father was a very abusive person wanting to fight anyone and everyone.of course my mother and moreso myself usualy caught the brunt of his abuse.he whipped me with a belt i believe as hard as he could and did not discrimenate as to where he hit youie in the face legs back you get the picture.. well my mom was thrilled when he agreed to study the bible with these nice people.they taught love and i think that was what appealed most to her.my dad was an obsessive compulsive person so he first argued points in the bible with them,but soon found he was no match for them.so he started taking his studies seriously and read the bible like crazy,i mean 5or6 hours at a time every day.. after a while they were baptised and things got better...................for a while.he then became very demanding with regard to studying for the watchtower all the meetings and personal reading.i could barely read,but most of all he became even less tolerant than before.the beatings continued sometimes worse.my mom had called the elders over no less than 6 times in a 5 year period to report his treatment of her and his beating me.as you may guess the elders did nothing.they sited some scriptures and admonished me to give my father respect.i thoght the elders would help me and make him stop.but they didnt.so i lived life on pins and needles with him going to every meeting studying (well you guys know we studied a lot).until age 16, my father started his fits and i ran away.boy did i go crazy then.worldly people wild parties you name it.to make a long story shorter i was living fot the day because tomorrow i may die.. i was recomended bad association during my absence,i got marrie at age 18 and went back to meetings and wow i was no longer bad association.that marriage lasted 2 years we had a daughter wich we shared custody and a lot of times my mother and father would watch her.
well during that period my father abused her sexually.my ex told me about it.said my daughter told her .well stupid me i didnt believe it and i guess the elders didnt either because they did nothing.. i was never baptised and drifted away again.flash to 1 year ago now married 10 years 3 more children and who knocks on the door you guessed it watchtower toting smily faced jws.well i always believed and carried guilt around all the time.so of course a agree to a study soon i have the whole family studying.the elder i studied with kept telling me i would be an elder soon,i didnt understand then how that could be.i soon realised that was his way of motivating me.well my world crashed down when my 2nd oldest daughter was molested by my father.i never should have trusted him to watch her and i feel enormous guilt.. my father did this while innactive but almost immediately he went back to jws like nothing happened.i wont go into some of the drama between him and myself but bottom line the elders were told and he was reproved he admitted to sexual misconduct and all that happened was restrictions.they said he could never go in field service by himself but he does.he will never be an elder but other than that he is a member in good standing.this stumbled my wife and i greatly.in the interim the elder from our seperate congregation (not my fathers) was in a big rush to have my same 12 year old daughter baptised.well she was at the summer convention.. i later found out that he was up for promotion to circuit ovsr.while a very good teacher you could tell he was all about position.
my wife bought crisis of conscience and slowly had me reading it too.
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we just renounced our belief in the wtbts 2 hors ago,but still love jehovah
by ko38 inafter reading ray franzs 2 books and much information on this site we did a search comparing wt qoutes and had a local elder soon to be circuit ovsr at our house and the funny thing was he was unaware of much of the early wts.he also expressed some doubts when he applied to be a ministerial servant and they sent him back a letter making him an elder.his wife was here and when we brought coc out she jumped up like a person on fire.
the elder asked where else could we go?so there is doubt amoung the elders for sure.
i have a sense of loss however cannot support a self proclaimed prophet that is contrary to scriptural teaching and associated with falsehood and bloodguilt.
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