Joseph,
First of all, I would like you to show me any prophecies in the bible either by Enoch or any of the other prophets of God that prophesied and sometimes they were wrong? Because you said, sometimes they were right and sometimes they were wrong. So give me an example of that?
Secondly, are you saying that Jude warned us about listening to people like Enoch? And that we should only listen to the Apostles? Then what is the point for Christians to read about the Old Testament Prophets then, since you are saying we should not listen to them?
Thirdly, I do not get the point you are trying to make by quoting the Jude text, are you saying I am a slanderer or murmering, or any of the things Jude menioned because I don't agree with your theology since it is not supported by the Scriptures? Or, are you calling Enoch a murmerer or slanderer, etc. becuase he was not an Apostle? You do realize he came way before the Apostles don't you?
Lastly, you need to get your facts straight about what is "inspired" in the bible and what is not inspired. When Timothy wrote "all scripture is inspired of God", he was not speaking specifically about the NT, becuase there was no New Testament at that time. He was speaking about all of Jehovah's propehecies, as spoken thru his holy prophets, Enoch being one of them. And there are books in our biblical canon that do not claim to be inspired such as Job, proverbs and psalms.
This is elementary knowlege about the bible Jospeh. You and Reniaa need to learn about this. You are both congratulating each other for your so called "arguements" against others on this thread but have shown nothing but a lack of knowlege when it comes to Scripture, the history of the bible and how it was put together, including what books were chosen for our canon and why, and for that matter, you have lack of knowlege even about whom the Lord Jesus Christ really is.
I feel sorry for both of you. You are like the blind leading the blind.
Here is a little biblical education for you about Enoch, so as you don't think he was an apostate, slanderer, murmerer or anyone the Apostles or Jude, would warn you about listening to;
Genesis 4:17
Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch
Genesis 5:21-24
21 When Enoch had lived 65 years, he became the father of Methuselah. 22 And after he became the father of Methuselah, Enoch walked with God 300 years and had other sons and daughters. 23 Altogether, Enoch lived 365 years. 24 Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him away. 21 When Enoch had lived 65 years, he became the father of Methuselah. 22 And after he became the father of Methuselah, Enoch walked with God 300 years and had other sons and daughters. 23 Altogether, Enoch lived 365 years. 24 Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.
Here is what the writer of Hebrews in our NT said about him;
Hebrews 11:5
By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death; he could not be found, because God had taken him away. For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God
Lilly
