An Old Argument.... does it hold water?

by AK - Jeff 1495 Replies latest jw experiences

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut
    ... but the bad can not come from God.

    I know you all get it. But you act as if you just cannot understand how "we" don't get it.

    It's not just about causing the bad or not causing the bad. It's also about indifference or doing nothing.
    Omnibenevolence, omnipotence. The power to do anything. The price of sin already paid for. Standing by as children continue to be born with defects, die in famines and floods. We can skip the whole rape/genocide issue from the Bible if you all want to claim that is an error or misunderstood. Stick with modern times and ask yourself, "What was God doing in 2004 when the tsunami hit Indonesia?" "How is that loving, omnibenevolent?"

    If God strikes down children in this way so that other humans can learn to do good toward the survivors, then ask yourself if that's a God worth worshipping. If one person (especially a baby) has to die to reach others, then it isn't worth it. No matter how many puppies and ice cream cones that dead baby tsunami victim might get in heaven, it isn't worth all that pain to the parents in my opinion.

    I hear "I know Christ/God is real because he answered my prayers." No matter how important those prayers were to the individuals, and even not arguing with whether it was God/Christ that answered those prayers, amputees have never regrown the limbs because of prayer and plenty of faithful cancer victims don't find the cure. I can even give you that, if you will just seriously look at birth defects and the tragedy that strikes babies and little children.

  • N.drew
    N.drew

    God told the man to subdue the Earth, it is still our responsibility. That has not changed.

    OTWO you insult some people who are coping perfectly well with their birth defect.

    And the tsunami? Education about such things would have saved some people.

  • jay88
    jay88

    Education about such things would have saved some people.

    ..........

    From the bible or science?

  • N.drew
    N.drew

    Common sense. Google. Government. School. When the water mysteriously recedes get to high ground quickly. Do not stay to watch the weird water. Run like the dickens. Run! Take the baby.

  • jay88
    jay88

    Google vs Christ

    I see where you are going with this N.drew

  • N.drew
    N.drew

    Christ is not against Google. Why would you even think that?

  • unshackled
    unshackled

    Christ prefers Bing. Despite that endorsement, Bing still sucks.

  • tec
    tec

    If God strikes down children in this way so that other humans can learn to do good toward the survivors, then ask yourself if that's a God worth worshipping.

    I never said that OTWO. Only that suffering can serve a purpose. Like bringing good out of something bad, or hurtful. God does not strike children down. Tsunamis are not 'acts of god', just because someone put that label on them. I do not know the science behind tsunamis, tornados (earthquakes, yes... plate tectonics), and other natural disasters. But these are all part of the physical world. A moving, shifting world. Which I assume also gives us our gravity, our seasons, our day/night, our rotation around the sun (for warmth to all parts of the world - some more than others), etc, etc.

    Yes, I know that many people die in these things, children or adult. It is all part of natural life... and I don't know the answer to why the physical world must be as it is. I can speculate, but that is all. I DO know that God does not act outside of love. I know this because Christ did not. He did not call down lightning upon anyone, or ask the earth to quake and swallow people up, or curse anyone with disease. He healed. He cured. Of course... he healed and cured only those who had the faith in Him to do it. And faith (knowing) is not as easy as belief. They are not necessarily the same thing.

    Nor do all believers ask that their suffering end... but rather that they be granted the strength to endure. All flesh dies, at one time/way or another. It is sad. It is tragic. God hates death more than we do. The reason He sent His Son so that we might have life in Him. In spirit. God gave man(Adam) life to begin with; Adam gave his offspring death; God was under no obligation to grant us life again... but He did, through His Son... showing us a way back to life.

    Life, as in the beginning, is in the spirit.

    You don't have to agree with any of this OTWO. But there is nothing that you or anyone else can say that will have me blame God for suffering. Because I do not see it in the One (Christ) who shows us the truth of God.

    Peace,

    Tammy

  • jay88
    jay88

    Jesus told us that not to worry when we hear reports of earthquakes and such,.....

    PSOC

  • shamus100
    shamus100

    Christ prefers Bing. Despite that endorsement, Bing still sucks.

    Best comment of the entire thread goes to... UNSHACKLED. :D

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