by mP 418 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
regardless of the fact that it is not him causing it, and people simply continue to do so....see this is adding to what I said
Still, I dont' write something like that to add to something you said... but rather to be accurate in or to clarify what i am saying.
Peace,
tammy
Tam said:
Now what makes you think they weren't free to leave anytime they wanted? Neither God nor Christ makes anyone serve them. Choose... or do not choose.
Your ignorance of the practices of slavery in 30CE is absolutely no excuse, esp if you CHOOSE to remain ignorant.
Get a clue, and then get back. You're arguing just to hear yourself speak.
That is correct... you are not God. You cannot see very far, or even very much. You don't know. He does know....tec
Clearly he cannot see very well either....or he needs glasses. Maybe thats why he does not help. Maybe he develops laryngitis when a child is being sexually abused.
I believe Jesus said 'ask and you will be given'...not ask....and he will answer...eventually....when the time is right.....he will destroy everyone who hurt you.
Who says he is going to destroy everyone who hurt you?
If you belong to Him, you might already have forgiven everyone who ever hurt you.
I am not talking about punishment for past deeds (regarding armageddon). I am talking about protection against what is going to happen right then and there.
John 15:7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you.
How many prayers go unanwered everyday? Do the math. The percentage that people 'think' are anwered are no better than the odds of taking a bet at the races.
Well, I am sorry to have to point it out, but there is an IF attached to that promise.
Peace,
tammy
You think he should stop all those causing suffering now (regardless of the fact that it is not him causing it, and people simply continue to do so), and condemn him for not doing so.
Nope...you added this in the middle of what I said to twist it to appear that I blame god regardless of the fact it is not his fault.
1/ It is not a fact
2/ I don't condemn him, he does not exist
3/ yes, if he was real, he should help those that are suffering...otherwise what the hell is the point in praying to him? Just to thank him for the suffering?
Your ignorance of the practices of slavery in 30CE is absolutely no excuse, esp if you CHOOSE to remain ignorant.
What i said was correct FOR that parable.
Not for slavery in 30CE, or slavery in the states, or elsewhere in the world.
The 'slave' represented one who has been set over the House of God (or Christ)... but instead of remaining worthy of the trust given them in caring for those who belong to God and Christ; begins to beat them instead. Beat his 'fellow' slaves... btw. No master among them. The only master being Christ, and God.
No man can own another man... and especially not in the house of God. Because all in that house belong to Him (and WANT/CHOOSE to belong to Him)
Peace,
tammy
If you belong to Him, you might already have forgiven everyone who ever hurt you.
And you might forgive people even if you don't believe in him.
Well, I am sorry to have to point it out, but there is an IF attached to that promise.
So, how do you explain the ones who do 'belong to him' that don't have their prayers answered? Not praying hard enough? Not good enough? Not listening hard enough? Not special enough? When they cry out for help and he ignores their pleas...didn't cry loud enough?
Nope...you added this in the middle of what I said to twist it to appear that I blame god regardless of the fact it is not his fault.
This was not my intent. I stated my intent.
1/ It is not a fact
Since you do not think he exists, then from your pov, doesn't it have to be a fact that suffering is not his fault?
2/ I don't condemn him, he does not exist
See above.
3/ yes, if he was real, he should help those that are suffering...otherwise what the hell is the point in praying to him? Just to thank him for the suffering?
He does. Sometimes those who listen to him help those who are suffering. His teachings have taught some to help those who are suffering. And those who put their faith in Him do receive answers to their prayers, and ARE granted strength and comfort if they are suffering.
Peace,
tammy
Your defense of your impotent god is an ivory tower theodicy.
Since you do not think he exists, then from your pov, doesn't it have to be a fact that suffering is not his fault?
Yes. from my POV he does not exist...I don't blame something that does not exist any more than I blame fairies for not helping.
Since I am speaking hypothetically....thats all I can speak of him since he isn't real..... but you insist he is....he does nothing even from your hypothetical standpoint of a loving god.
You attribute peoples loving actions to him. There is no reason to do this unless you want to make it fit into your existing belief....because there really is nothing else to support your claim that he helps people.
