Boston tragedy - once again Islam is the common thread in another terrorist attack (page 7)

tootired2care

Interesting info Justitia Themis. You seem like someone who is qualified to discuss the subject from an Islamic perspective. Perhaps you could take a stab at explaining how the zealous close adherants of Islam are supposed to come away with a peaceful outlook on life after reading the scores of commandments in their holy texts like these:

Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."

Quran (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Bukhari (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with terror'

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

And how the Islamic theocratic regimes like Iran have dis-obeyed or deviated from their holy texts; in how they enforce Sharia, or why they have zero tolerance for ideas or thinking that runs contrary to the dogmas of Islam...

BizzyBee

Great post, Justitia!

Justitia Themis

Perhaps you could take a stab at explaining how the zealous close adherants of Islam are supposed to come away with a peaceful outlook on life after reading the scores of commandments in their holy texts like these

Short answer (cooking my dinner right now), those texts predominately deal with the period when relations broke down between the Muslims and their Jewish neighbors in Medina. Things had been peaceful for a time, but resource wars broke out.

Most Muslims just relegate them to commands for a specific time period and place, and determine them to be abrogated by those texts that speak of the joint heavenly reward for the Muslims and the People of the Book (Christians)...just like Christians do with the Old Testament and the Israelite/Cannanite wars (genocide).

BizzyBee

Fundamentalism can be dangerous.

Justitia Themis

And how the Islamic theocratic regimes like Iran have dis-obeyed or deviated from their holy texts; in how they enforce Sharia, or why they have zero tolerance for ideas or thinking that runs contrary to the dogmas of Islam...

Wow...you mean political leaders might twist scripture for political/military ends? Wow...you mean political leaders might use a holy book to establish totalitarian legislation?

BTW, interesting factoid on Iran. Iran was well on its way to modernization when we derailed the process, becuase the modernizers/reformers also...cough...cough...kicked out the British oil companies and nationalized the facilities after BP had been very, very well compensated for its investment. Therefore, the U.S and the Brits fomented revolt to get that guy displaced, and we instituted the Pahlavi regime. The Shah was like the Pinochet of the Middle East. The moderates had to unite with the fundamentalist to create a majority to overthrow the AMERICAN backed Shah. Then, after the revolt, the fundamentalists took over.

Again, we interefered for oil, screwed things up, and now have a bigger problem. I repeat...if you do NOT understand the politics of the Middle East, you will NEVER understand Fundamentalist Islam.

tootired2care

Wow...you mean political leaders might twist scripture for political/military ends? Wow...you mean political leaders might use a holy book to establish totalitarian legislation?

From what I've read and seen, it doesn't seem like they've twisted anything; it seems they've done a pretty stellar job of enforcing Allah's will (Sharia Law) on their people and ensuring that all apostates have been put to death.

Justitia Themis

If you bothered to read the article I referenced, you would understand how utterly ignorant your assertion that they are upholding "Sharia" law sounds.

Hint: to which Sharia law are you referring?

I will not respond further to your posts. I enjoy discussing topics with those interested in learning facts, and I enjoy learning from others. But, it is clear you aren't interested in learning, or you would have gobbled-up the article. You are emotionally tied to a belief system want to stay that way.

talesin

JT, you are so right about the Iranian people. And yes, I am not crazy about Islam any more than other religions, but your comments are reasoned and factual. Right on.

TT2C, I don't know where you are getting your information (some blog?) , but when I saw his FAMILY member interviewed on ABC (that would be one of the "big 3" networks), she said that the one brother had RECENTLY become a fundy Muslim.

So, no, the 'family' are not Muslim extremists ... and this has not been confirmed as a 'TERRORIST' attack ... *rolls eyes*

It's EXACTLY this type of reasoning that got over 200,000 Iraqi citizens murdered in the previous administration's attempt to secure American oil interests ....... we DON'T KNOW YET.

It's people like YOU, who insist on talking smack, and making up stories, who are the targets of extremists. OOOOO, let's hate all the Muslims!

Give me a break,,, it's enough already that the HORROR of this is being repeatedly played over and over on TV, creating fear and panic when we DON'T KNOW the details. Ignorant people like you, or me (ie, we are ignorant of the FACTS), do not need to be posting speculation and stirring up hatred. You suffer from XENOPHOBIA ,,, look it up if you don't know what it means.

sheesh!

tal

talesin

Oh, and * NEWS FLASH *

He has been apprehended and being sent BY AMBULANCE to the hospital.

Let's hope he lives, and we can get REAL ANSWERS.

xo

tal

Berengaria

That's just Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

Tamerlan is not a U.S. citizen. Here's the NYT Editor in Chief of Foreign Policy's tweet:

Peter Baker‏@peterbakernyt Govt official says younger Chechen became US citizen last year and the older was in the middle of the process.

Tamerlan is also registered to vote.
We don't know when Dzhokhar registered to vote. It could have been before he received citizenship. That's what his brother did.

http://www.ailc.com/howdoi/PermRes.htm

Voting
One of the most important privileges of democracy in the United States of America is the right to participate in choosing elected officials through voting. As a Permanent Resident you can only vote in local and state elections that do not require you to be a US citizen. It is very important that you do not vote in national, state or local elections that require a voter to be a US citizen when you are not a US citizen. There are criminal penalties for voting when you are not a US citizen and it is a requirement for voting. You can be removed (deported) from the US if you vote in elections limited to US citizens.

Boston tragedy - once again Islam is the common thread in another terrorist attack

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